He had heard all this before, and like before, Loring's proposal ignited an argument that consumed the group.
And no one is surprised by the clamor of opposition the proposal has ignited.
The proposal ignited a raging debate in the Bush administration.
But in the last couple of weeks, opposition has slowly gathered, and now the proposal is igniting strong emotions in neighborhoods across the city.
While relations between the neighborhoods have never been warm, a proposal by Riverdale parents to rezone the district has ignited a firestorm.
The proposal to add 14 feet of asphalt to the 26-foot-wide road ignited a civic rebellion over small-town values, historic integrity and the quality of life.
The proposal has ignited fierce opposition to the project.
While it would later be rejected by their respective Governments, their proposal eventually ignited a groundswell of hope for what might still be achieved.
The proposal will ignite the "death tax" row that led to a war of words between the Tories and the Labour government before the last election.
His proposal has ignited an expected counterattack from members of Congress and others eager to keep all those armories open.