Historically, such efforts have failed because of profound disagreements over the proper role of government.

A reader can be stimulated even when in profound disagreement.

She stayed in the Liberal Party, despite her profound disagreement with its stance on the suffrage issue.

This has not removed the scope for profound disagreement about the relevance of such conditions.

But there was profound disagreement about how to replace it.

Legislation to set federal privacy standards died this year because of profound disagreements between consumer advocates and the health care industry.

At a deeper level there was profound disagreement about inclusiveness in the new state.

But there is profound disagreement over what form that change should take.

But agreement on the principles of change obscures profound disagreement about the design and cost of a new welfare system.

And, most important, there is still a profound disagreement and conflict over the role of government.