The result is one of the best English pop records in many years.
"There was no attempt to make a pop record," he said.
And its older audience is also not the prime market for buying pop records.
It featured more of a hard rock sound than their previous pop records.
But in short, it is a good pop record.
Like the best pop records, it was the perfect snapshot of the time.
All along we've threatened people that we'd make a pop record, and now we have.
Adding rap to a pop record gives it some edge.
"100th Window" is a rare thing: a pop record that can really creep you out.
Every pop record, of course, borrows elements from both sides.