Many patrons said the latest episode would keep them away from the restaurant at night.

But patrons and employees said they did not feel safe in the mall.

Some patrons, stopped on 84th Street, said other bars were worse.

The few patrons there said they did not want to talk.

One patron said that the trip, which would have taken an hour without traffic, took three hours.

And many regular patrons say this is how jazz ought to be.

Some older patrons say the rink has made them feel young again.

A patron in the bar the other day said the town was getting a bad name "for no good reason at all."

"This is a good house for a Sunday night," a longtime patron said.

But patrons and employees inside said he did not go in.