The two were raised on jazz and punk, striving to make perfect pop calibrated to the mid-60's.
The rise of classic rock radio, which has made pop less disposable and more historically aware, helps the movement, too.
By making polished pop on instruments often considered rustic, Guster made its mainstream sound seem quirky.
As Mr. Oliver cooks, dishes other than the one he's making pop into his head.
But Brian Wilson wasn't happy just making pop about surfing, cars and girls.
When they're not being real complicated people, these folks make utterly poignant, funny pop.
"When these guys get there, they make plastic pop," Edwards said of his special teams unit.
Never understood why people think Girls Aloud make good pop.
I've always thought that Curve have made great pop.
All are self-consciously making pop with traditional ingredients.