But local involvement and state assistance have eased some of the hardship, they said.
"Underville sees evidence of local involvement, but we still don't have anything solid."
Without local involvement, he says, the projects turn derelict.
Big Society and local involvement in decisions has now ruled out parents.
It's a play on the familiar think global - act local, and implies the same depth of local involvement for positive change.
The mayor's plans for reform should encourage meaningful local involvement by strengthening the role of parents in their children's education.
Local people are being employed whenever possible, and there is direct local involvement in the business.
And despite a few leaks here and there about local involvement, for the most part the agreements are being honored.
Modern efforts to create more efficient regulation recognize the importance of that local involvement.
This should lead to a list of recommendations or standards for more formalised local involvement in future policy design and implementation.