The two then continue to talk about some events that happened overseas.
The bigger fear, he says, is what will happen overseas, in developing nations with less sophisticated computer systems and without the resources to update them.
The revelations shocked the Australian public, which was more attuned to such things happening overseas.
"But while this may happen overseas, this is highly unlikely in a major city like Seoul."
But we viewed what was happening overseas in the last 12 to 18 months as a speculative bubble.
Have American officials adopted a new style for the danger warnings they issue when attacks like this happen overseas?
I can't tell you how many students have come into my office all excited and bright-eyed about what's going to happen overseas.
For the most part, they are optimists as they discuss what is happening overseas.
"We need to be fairly concerned about what happens overseas," he said.
Their arrival was an extraordinary step for Toyota, whose previous car development had all happened overseas.