But the impact of all this attention is far from clear, education advocates say.

"If people leave teaching, this still will have created education advocates."

It is clear that education advocates did not like the message.

Disappointed parents groups and education advocates have renewed their calls for changes in the way the system works.

So far, education advocates have not laced into the governor.

Education advocates are looking to new contract talks for a remedy.

That could discourage some students from entering college at this time, education advocates said.

Education advocates praised Thursday's move, but said it should have come sooner.

But education advocates say the reform movement's most serious deficiency may be a lack of emphasis on children's early years.

Nevertheless, education advocates argue that the city still spends far less on each student than most other districts.