And years ago a few iron seat frames went to the office of the correction commissioner.
At the time, he was the city's correction commissioner.
"Having his name on a building or not doesn't change his legacy as correction commissioner," he said.
Most responsibility rests with the Correction Commissioner and his administration.
That possibility has led the corrections commissioner to take the unusual step of requesting a new investigation by the attorney general.
Mr. Kerik was the city's correction commissioner from 1998 to 2000.
"He was already the correction commissioner, and his background was vetted."
In 1992, the corrections commissioner eliminated the program.
"That's been very nerve-racking and we've got to deal with that" and name a new correction commissioner, he said.
Jack Terhune, corrections commissioner at the time, said his investigators had found "no supporting evidence" of brutality.