Now, when I'm on big national programs, only one or two people will ever say they've seen me.

They can be used for big programs, but this will slow them down.

The greatest stars of our time on one big program.

"A lot of these guys come from big programs where they're used to having this and that," he said.

"All big programs will come under scrutiny because of their size."

"I'm getting a little more involved, particularly on the big programs," he said in an interview.

"We are trying to work out a big program," he said of the 300th anniversary.

And the focus seemed to be waste in big military programs, rather than, say, getting out of Afghanistan.

Under those conditions, he said, a number of other big programs could be endangered.

"It's evolved to the point where we have one big program."