Bob Froese, after beating the Penguins 17 straight times, suffered the first loss of his career against them.

B15 Devils look for ways to beat the Penguins.

People kept telling us we won't make the playoffs, we can't beat the Capitals or the Penguins.

"If we're going to beat the Penguins, we'll have to cut down on our turnovers."

Will that help us beat the Penguins?

They watched the Devils beat the Penguins, 4-0, and they probably hope to do the same Thursday night.

They also beat the Penguins.

The Sabres, who had scored two goals or fewer in eight straight games, beat the Penguins for the first time since March 2, 1995.

They beat the Penguins four consecutive times, including a 1-0 seventh game on a goal by Ed Westfall.

San Jose has never beaten the Penguins at home, going 0-5-1.