"Grant is the most respected guy in the TV business, no question about that," he says.

"I loved trying cases, but the TV business was much more fascinating," he said.

The people in the TV business can't imagine this.

But the company said its TV business still lost 89.3 billion yen ($795 million).

"Bull is only a computer company; they are not distracted by the TV business."

They established themselves as a real ace team in the TV business.

But the TV business can't afford that kind of slow courtship.

Both men saw their careers take off when they took jobs as executives in the TV business.

"He thought with all your connections you might know somebody in the TV business."

The company's ratings are really just another way for people in the TV business to talk about money.